tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post113439461370234794..comments2023-12-28T18:17:11.191-05:00Comments on Gruntled Center: Why, Exactly, is Polygamy Illegal?Gruntledhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-7051374916755511682017-08-10T17:45:35.628-04:002017-08-10T17:45:35.628-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.luciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142427927947808187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-81286754429966613672016-09-03T03:17:32.692-04:002016-09-03T03:17:32.692-04:00I personally don't believe Plural Marriage / P...I personally don't believe Plural Marriage / Polygamy is the problem. Yes, there are problems with underage marriage and abuse, which is wrong but the problem is the LDS Church hold over what is acceptable. The Mormon Church can Indoctrinate/Baptism dead relatives into Mormonism without the consent of living family members but living people aren't allowed to make their own choices on who they marry or how many they marry and spend their after life with. The LDS Church wants family to be together for eternity but ONLY at their discretion. The Church uses their political and financial influence to gain approval on their matters of choice. Maybe it is time the face of religion is truly separated from politics and then we can then truly have "Separation of Church and State". If a man can marry a man and a woman can marry a woman, then Polygamy should be legal as well!<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br />12 years married to 1 man and an open mind for changeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-39753761420139035172015-11-15T02:29:11.093-05:002015-11-15T02:29:11.093-05:00I truly believe it should be legal to marry multip...I truly believe it should be legal to marry multiple people, if you're in love with 2 people why can't you marry them, when you can have sex with multiple people, and it's perfectly fine, but you can't marry multiple people, it's stupidAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16723191208184086279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-70126173405196900682015-11-15T02:26:19.830-05:002015-11-15T02:26:19.830-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16723191208184086279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-45480829968690330722015-11-13T02:24:38.085-05:002015-11-13T02:24:38.085-05:00After reading 20% of the comments and saw "un...After reading 20% of the comments and saw "undermining monogamy" I gave up reading... that's the same argument people are using to prevent gay marriage. The question is how. How is having your neighbor in a gay marriage affect your life. I have no idea how gay marriage or polygamy can undermine marriage. How other people are living their lives shouldn't matter to you its not like they'll prevent you from getting married or prevent monogamy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-63712785288489942572015-09-30T20:00:00.332-04:002015-09-30T20:00:00.332-04:00Bill O'Brien -- you sure seem to rant about wo...Bill O'Brien -- you sure seem to rant about women a lot for someone who rails against "male hatting views." Maybe you should look in the mirror if you want to see real bigotry.Brianne Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07003976391240307090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-77466321284930332082015-07-03T17:08:53.819-04:002015-07-03T17:08:53.819-04:00In short..It is about social services and MISGUIDE...In short..It is about social services and MISGUIDED women's right, as they state it...I find silly, that women are against the happiness of other women, based on their male hatting views, when women all over the world, seek men from all over the world, not for financial gain, but love, romance and security, unable to do so...Monogamous marriages, still rate high in divorce, at best 50% to 75%, unlike polygamy marries. The law violates the constitutional rights of women who wish to be legally married in a polygamous marriage..If they are worried about welfare, or social services, all a woman has to do is become preggy and give birth and they are entitled to all services...Not to mention, with the constitutional law, allowing gay marriages, polygamy is next, due to the fundamental fairness act, of the constitution...Polygamy, was legal in the USA until women become vocal and use the church to frighten the government into making it illegal...In case you not know, most laws, instituted by religion is to promote poverty or lower income, so the people need the church, not love, or romance and making polygamy illegal, does that..Not have time to go into this...No roomAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367270112545937317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-65751728610797086502015-06-28T22:33:03.755-04:002015-06-28T22:33:03.755-04:00What is the EXACT federal law that makes polygamy ...What is the EXACT federal law that makes polygamy illegal.<br /><br />My understanding is the Edmunds–Tucker Act was repealed in 1978 and well, nothing else touches the topic. <br /><br />In Illinios, only BIGAMY is illegal. I don't see any legal halt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1660192769657734452015-05-29T14:25:45.242-04:002015-05-29T14:25:45.242-04:00From Truthseeker
"Now with that being said I...From Truthseeker <br />"Now with that being said I just want to say that someone mentioned that if a woman had multiple husbands then no you wouldn't be able to know the father, but the argument to that would be although said woman could have multiple men's semen in her system it would only really be for about 72-120 hrs., and that remember since a woman can only carry one man's child at a time the rest would be purged from the body within that window of time. So really as long as she's only sleeping with one of her husbands then that wouldn't really be an issue also it was mentioned that paternity checks can be done, but that's really unnecessary again as long as the woman is sleeping with the one and not both or many."<br /><br />Actually you are wrong. It is very possible for a woman to become pregnant with fraternal twins from two fathers. It is called Heteropaternal superfecundation. Look it up and you'll be surprised. I'm still not sure exactly why that would matter though. If it's a loving family, who gives a rat's ass about if one kid is from one father and the other is from the other father. They grow up together as twins with a happy home. Win win for everyone. <br /><br />I'm male, heterosexual, and monogamous with a wife of 18 years and 2 children. I think if we are going to have equality for one special group in the marriage arena, then we should allow it for all. I'm not interested in another wife or husband around my home, but think that anyone else who is should be free to do so. Although there are days I'd love to have someone else deal with my children :) LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-7337727047466020242015-04-07T17:09:27.547-04:002015-04-07T17:09:27.547-04:00Honestly, if this blog still gets read any, knew t...Honestly, if this blog still gets read any, knew this: the government is trying or was trying to, legalize senators and representatives with mistresses. I could honestly give a shit less about half of what these comments are. The one saying that men are only stronger? Yea, really got my blood boiling. I can't argue some points, statistically, using average males abd females yes. But not everyone is average. I don't give a fuck if your a woman or a man. Your still a human being and you get to speak your mind, but you start to become cynical, when you group us all together. And that's why I can't stand feminists. Gender means so little to me, that when you argue what my role is, I tell you to stop talking, no-one tells me or my wife, what our roles are. Because your not my mother, my father, my wife, nor my gf, or even my boss, you don't have any power over me. Humans are humans, I'll treat any women like a man if she thinks like she is better than one. Men are stronger, yes. Women are smarter? No. Just because men have muscles doesn't make us stupid. Women are more mature? Pffft somebody hasn't been in public. "Like omg, I totally just broke a nail, like omg, that boy was like, so cute!" I'm not trying to defend males either, there's a special kind of stupid that only our respective genders can make, you cross the line when you call our species incompetent just because, "we lift things up and put put zem down." I guarantee you, there are men more intelligent than females, I guarantee you, from my own experience, that men can be more mature, and I can promise you, I've seen women that will bench press me and drag me home. Just because there's reproducing organs that are in your stomach, doesn't make you the answer to our population. Without male sperm females will die out just the same.<br /><br />Now that I got that anti feminist rant out... polygamy isn't really the issue, in my opinion. It's self entitlement. Men believe they deserve multiple women, because... dreams. The thing is, is that humans are renown for their ability to adapt abd survive, right? Well guess what? Women are part off that species. They can adapt just as easily, and if I recall correctly, there is that census that estimates that if every man were to share every woman equally, your looking at 1 man for like 3.2 women or something, women out number men 3 to 1. Putting race aside. If you want to talk about equality, if one man and one woman got married, then there'd be 2 woman alone, for every one who got married. This isn't including the males who are not good, such as being abusive, homeless, or in jail. Then your number of lonely females rise up. Even if you include the female counterpart of abusive females and etc, there's still that ridiculous out numbering. But females that want more than one man is ok, as long as the man agrees. And it's like I always say, if a man express to his wife, "I want more women" abd she says "ok" then she gets ignored because there's x amount of girls that essentially have replaced her, then she does the same and he responds with "hell no, I won't allow that" is a self serving ass. <br /><br />My wife abd I talked about this, many many times. My rule is, my wife is bi sexual. I won't deny her of her sexual freedom, but she can't have boyfriend, because I don't share. So she says to me, "well what about you? You can have a boyfriend but no girl." I laughed and said to her " problem with that, I don't care for people. I don't swing backwards, so I don't care. If you get a girl, my only real rule is I get to watch, abd have fun with you." So yea. Anyway, needless to say, she lies my thinking, and we've shared a gf, almost 2, and didn't have any problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-14099701262701866912014-03-31T23:16:16.352-04:002014-03-31T23:16:16.352-04:00I'll say this for those who want to make an ar...I'll say this for those who want to make an argument based on Christianity or religious purposes period. I was raised as a Baptist until the age 18 then I chose to study/practice Wicca, and finally a few years ago I took my Shahada and now practice Islamism (what some would call Mohammedanism)and the whole time I was always interested/intended on taking on multiple wives. I told my predominantly "Baptist" family at the age of either five or six that I intended to have more than one wife and of course being a child they probably didn't take that seriously, but my point is monogamy and polygamy/ polygyny/ (even polyandry) have a place in this society if people have the resolve/will to follow through with that regardless or persecution. On the other hand if that's not for you then please don't stand in the way of those that want/intend on that way of life (since it is a way of life) also if you are for polygamy/polygyny/polyandry don't let others dictate to you if that can/should be done or not. I mean come on as others have stated as long as it's between consenting adults what's the big deal? Now with that being said I just want to say that someone mentioned that if a woman had multiple husbands then no you wouldn't be able to know the father, but the argument to that would be although said woman could have multiple men's semen in her system it would only really be for about 72-120 hrs., and that remember since a woman can only carry one man's child at a time the rest would be purged from the body within that window of time. So really as long as she's only sleeping with one of her husbands then that wouldn't really be an issue also it was mentioned that paternity checks can be done, but that's really unnecessary again as long as the woman is sleeping with the one and not both or many. That's a whole other can of worms though which is/should only be left to the discretion of the parties involved in said relationship. All of that to say is that after delivery the safest way to having children with multiple men is to at least wait eight months after (minimum) before having another child so that would take a while, but that would be the safest route. One more thing the whole situation of polygamy v.s. civil unions I personally don't agree with it (and not due to religious reasons) I always thought that the joining of man(men) and woman (women) one of the main reasons was to bring another generation into this world so that can't be done between people of the same gender/persuasion so if anything polygamy/polygyny/polyandry shouldn't even be a contest and that the former should be considered before the latter. With that being said I bid all adieu.Truthseeker86https://www.blogger.com/profile/12511169692805214719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-15997954694059056112013-10-02T13:05:03.497-04:002013-10-02T13:05:03.497-04:00I also don't understand why it is currently il...I also don't understand why it is currently illegal. I do understand that the politics and Victorian morals of the time combined to make it illegal in the US. <br /><br />I am currently living with two wonderful men. One I am legally married to, and one I would be legally married to if I possibly could. We are all happy with this arrangement. While it is more common for polygamy to mean polygyny, it is not exclusively the case. <br /><br />You have stated that you don't think it is a good idea. I see that statement was in 2007, so your views may have changed since then. This is still a topic with a lot of interest and (obviously) one that I have a personal investment in. Do you mean that you don't think this is a good idea for YOU or for society as a whole? Because if you would rather have a monogamous relationship that results in marriage, that is, without question, your choice. However, how would MY polygamous marriage affect you or your family in any way? <br /><br />Opponents of equal marriage rights for same-sex couples say similar things. They say that same-sex marriage wouldn't be good "for society." However, I can guarantee that gay men and lesbians do not force people to get gay married or have gay sex and they will not break into your house and make your children gay. <br /><br />One of the main benefits in a society like ours is the freedom to choose. To choose whether or not we are going to get married at all, whether or not we have children. To choose to get married young or wait until we are older. To say that women are a limited resource and younger, poorer men would not "get any," is not only farcical, it is incredibly offensive. A statement like that basically implies that, as a woman, I would not legally have the choices that men do in a society that allows polygamy. Two women in a polygamous marriage to a man would still have the option to marry other men. <br /><br />People who are going to manipulate young people into unwanted physical and emotional relationships, abuse their partners, and brainwash their children are going to do that regardless of the legal status of any of those things. Because they are horrible people. Allowing polygamy and same-sex marriage would not increase or decrease the instances of those things happening.HeatherAtWorknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-60686561804908922732013-08-29T15:41:29.685-04:002013-08-29T15:41:29.685-04:00No, ma'am, the official LDS church openly prac...No, ma'am, the official LDS church openly practiced plural marriage until 1890, and the leaders continued to practice it in secret into the 20th century.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14864860607925412103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-46066291025635884182013-08-28T17:37:13.231-04:002013-08-28T17:37:13.231-04:00Mormons didn't stop practicing polygamy becaus...Mormons didn't stop practicing polygamy because the government said to... It's in the Book of Mormon in Jacob that it's wrong. You have your mormon history confused with a different church called the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. It's an easy mix up if you don't research. The FLDS follow a different religious leader, don't use the Book of Mormon, and practice polygamy. LDS (real mormons) have an entirely different religious leader, use the Book of Mormon as the "keystone of [their] religion, and haven't practiced polygamy since before 1830. Siarra Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14731321252506270491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-12001478897173271252012-05-30T22:03:02.794-04:002012-05-30T22:03:02.794-04:00As a woman, I am totally opposed to this. This onl...As a woman, I am totally opposed to this. This only benefits the man. I asked a male friend today if he would like to be one of three or four husbands and he said, "NO," that women don't mind sharing, but men do and that it was biological. Excuse me, but we do mind and I don't want to share my husband, period, end of subject. I am not some religious fanatic, but an athetist; always have been. It is just not for me and if you really asked most of these women how they are digging having their men have intimate relations with others, they are not liking it. They just pop out babies and that's it. I think it is totally anti-woman and I don't like that. I would not like it the other way around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-84249969305201436012012-01-15T00:43:33.297-05:002012-01-15T00:43:33.297-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Runescape Goldhttp://www.fzf.com/Runescape.goldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-33955448352199954582011-12-19T23:29:09.873-05:002011-12-19T23:29:09.873-05:00Actually, men outnumber women now. This is unique ...Actually, men outnumber women now. This is unique in world history.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14864860607925412103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-25602532477258206972011-12-19T23:26:31.577-05:002011-12-19T23:26:31.577-05:00my prayer is that the truth on this be revealed......my prayer is that the truth on this be revealed.....lookin around though, i see women far outnumber men and affairs and second and even third households are going on ANYWAY....how many women (if they will be honest) are sharing a man right now in some shape or fashion....how many? more than you might think knowingly....and i dare say even more than that unknowinglyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-74778029851666802822011-11-05T00:20:10.750-04:002011-11-05T00:20:10.750-04:00Another point I forgot to make in the first post o...Another point I forgot to make in the first post on 11/3/11:<br />-Separation of church and state means just that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-56267870340549034902011-11-03T23:22:37.198-04:002011-11-03T23:22:37.198-04:00Blanket prejudice against polygamy appears to be r...Blanket prejudice against polygamy appears to be rooted in fear- the fear that polygamists will somehow take over society and destroy the sanctity/purity of marriage if the practice is legalized. As a minority (a black woman), although I may not be a polygamist, I do not see how that sentiment is any different from racists fearing that interracial marriage will destroy racial purity and lead to the creation of one "mongrel" American race; or the fear of homophobes that okaying same-sex marriage will cause more young people to "choose" to be gay. All of our racist, sexist, and other minority-discriminating laws of the past (and present) were (and are) fear based. (No, I'm not gay or in an inter-racial relationship either; but, if I were, I would refuse to love myself any less.) People who hold on to such prejudices are irrationally fearful, as they are forgetting the most important factor here- the element of choice. There will always be people in society who prefer monogamy and intra-racial or heterosexual marriage; therefore, this closed-minded paranoia that "the others" will take over once being different is legally condoned is foolish. If one is different in a way that harms oneself or others, that is reason for ostracism. However, if one's "otherness" is not harmful, then a nation that proclaims itself to be a beacon of freedom and individualism (and is actively invading other sovereign nations in the name of freedom) will see a society full of hypocrites when it looks itself in the mirror. It is also evident in the above posts that people who hold such fears are often ignorant of much of both Christian and overall human history, hearing only what they want to hear and picking out the bits and pieces of history and the Bible that fit with what they want to believe. If the Old Testament is irrelevant to Christianity, then it shouldn't be included in the Christian Bible. And there are plenty of practices condemned in both books of the Bible that our society has conveniently (and hypocritically) brushed under the rug, simply because they are practiced by the majority (i.e. adultery). One of the reasons I turned away from organized religion is the hypocrisy typified by most followers; but, if I'm not mistaken, three of Jesus' core messages were to love one another, treat others as we would want to be treated if we were in their shoes, and to stop judging so much. There are unhealthy polygamous unions (i.e. the leader of the Polygamist faith who had child brides), and there are unhealthy monogamous unions (i.e. the 50 percent divorce rate)- and vice-versa. Harmful practices are logically worthy of our condemnation because they are self-protective of the human species. It's the people within it- whether their intentions are rooted in love (healthy) or the self (unhealthy)- that makes a relationship what it is. I say, as long as people aren't hurting anyone in doing what they are doing, then live and let live already! The truth is, this country was built on both persecution and the idea of freedom; but none of our real gains were achieved by indulging in the former.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-20735540172109851682011-10-08T11:36:51.348-04:002011-10-08T11:36:51.348-04:00Great subject. I believe in religious freedom and ...Great subject. I believe in religious freedom and to that end, if polygamy is the doctrine of one's belief then it should be allowed.<br /><br />That being said, any belief that proclaims love & equality yet in practice is controlling and can even be oppressive, is not a "belief", it's a cult and cannot be healthy. If one or a hundred women want to live like that, let'em.<br /><br />Mental illness comes in many forms: we can't legislate sanity.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-75777277821477029362011-08-10T19:03:47.773-04:002011-08-10T19:03:47.773-04:00You are taking the desires of individuals into acc...You are taking the desires of individuals into account, but not the social effects of a policy of polygamy. The state, though, does need to worry about social effects, not just individual desires.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14864860607925412103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-992619245977654472011-08-10T18:58:28.801-04:002011-08-10T18:58:28.801-04:00I, personally, don't think that the government...I, personally, don't think that the government has any grounds to say that any kind of polyamorous relationship is illegal, nor should they be denied the right to marry in the eyes of the State. If all members of the marriage consent to the marriage and bringing other individuals in, they should all be granted the same rights as other married couples. There are no legal grounds, only certain religious grounds, to make this act illegal. If a church does not want to marry these people, then they don't have to. They can marry somewhere else. Marriage does not belong to a single religion, and in some cases, it does not belong to religion at all. If it did, then atheists would not be allowed to marry in the eyes of the State.<br /><br />And to say that people think marriage is only a "contractual union" is really closed minded. People get married to show that they are committed to one another, to express their love, and be afforded the rights bestowed upon married couples, such as the ability to execute one's will after death or make decisions for an ailing partner. All unions consisting of consenting adults, whether they are heterosexual, homosexual, monogamous or polygamous should be afforded the same rights.<br /><br />Marriage does NOT belong to Christianity. There should be no monopoly over this union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-77494694566027407722011-05-23T01:18:55.356-04:002011-05-23T01:18:55.356-04:00Polygamy is neither a religous nor modern governme...Polygamy is neither a religous nor modern government issue. the only reason it is illegal is because we as a people have allowed state and federal goverments to make and hold against us laws based on what they think is best for us and will make us slaves to their rule. Get a grip people! stand up for what you believe in and stop letting the worry about what anyone else thinks stop you from being happy.to the woman who says she is so superior against men , i say when you grow older and your breasts are tucked in your pockets so you dont step on them. then you will see how superior you are to men. Fix your own car and pay your own way through life ,buy us a drink , support your own kids without wellfare , and lets see how fucking great you are. If prostitution were leagal no man would ever consider marriage. To the so called men of this world. Get your balls back out of your wifes purses if she will let you and fight for what you want. Dont let others dictate your life to you! Shure i understand there are rules we have to follow but the rules that were written tooooo long ago to be effective today or benificial to todays society , fight to change them. Government is only people. get up off your butts and do something about it or not. if not then suffer with the consequences of letting others decide for you! I know you probably think i have gotten off subject and off on a tangent but you would be wrong. I have taken time from my life reading your thoughts on the subject only to conclude that all people want is to left alone to decide what makes them happy as an individual. Polygamists , gays , muslims , christians etc. Dont try to push your personal beliefs onto others and others will have no ammo to fight with. Therefore guess what? NO FIGHT!!! Theres a thoery! And by the way , for all of you out there who made a statement " I believe" NOBODY CARES what you believe. To everyone else. I hope you all find the happiness you search for and the tranquility you deserve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-48724234728235235452010-12-30T20:34:31.417-05:002010-12-30T20:34:31.417-05:00All this marriage, legality business, why have mar...All this marriage, legality business, why have marriage in this modern society anyway? It is a religious institution and even the lines used today "Do you...in sickness... I now pronounce...blah blah blah" came from the Catholic Wedding Mass. <br /><br />But anyway, if you can have multiple sexual partners, be supported by him/her/them, why bring the state into this and make it a sticky unrealistic commitment? Why not just give rights to the lovers of the party in question: to visit them in hospitals, live together, adopt(with a legal check), etc? <br /><br />The personally sacred institution of marriage would remain in the court of religion as no one would really need to pretend and wear white anymore.<br /><br />And yes, polygamy was allowed in the Old Testament, but that(with calf sacrifices, killing bestiality enthusiasts) was thrown out in the New Testament. Divorce, Adultery, Sexual Immorality (polygamy) was condemned by Jesus and his apostles. As well as by the thousand-year Councils of Orthodox Christian Church which I belong to.K----noreply@blogger.com