tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post977955602609044212..comments2023-12-28T18:17:11.191-05:00Comments on Gruntled Center: We Lost, Yet WonGruntledhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-30750734131378473962008-05-28T01:35:00.000-04:002008-05-28T01:35:00.000-04:00The one great thing about democracy is that "old w...The one great thing about democracy is that "old women and workers' vote count just as much as yours and mine, regardless of how much better you think you are than them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-64810524554617779272008-05-28T01:34:00.000-04:002008-05-28T01:34:00.000-04:00What about black racists who only voted for Obama ...What about black racists who only voted for Obama because he is black? It may not have happened in KY, but it has happened all across the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-78656478737417958862008-05-22T08:44:00.000-04:002008-05-22T08:44:00.000-04:00In fairness, the exit poll question asked whether ...In fairness, the exit poll question asked whether race would be a factor in one's voting. This would draw a "yes" response from racists and active anti-racists. There clearly are racists, so some of that "factor" figure really does have the bad meaning I fear.<BR/><BR/>From the polling that I have seen, people who think Obama are extreme are also likely to think that Clinton is extreme.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-77698524002457104762008-05-22T08:11:00.000-04:002008-05-22T08:11:00.000-04:00Is it only race or a popular perception that Obama...Is it only race or a popular perception that Obama is extreme and Clinton is more of a "safe" or moderate candidate among the masses on in the traditionally less liberal areas of the country?<BR/><BR/>I've only met one person who is concerned about Obama's race to the point of mentioning it and she basically feels that his wife's attitude leans toward discrimination as a solution to discrimination problems much like affirmative action ideals can be. I'm surprised if race is indeed such a huge factor by itself.brax4444https://www.blogger.com/profile/03363710465959788709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-33550215717356724002008-05-21T22:28:00.000-04:002008-05-21T22:28:00.000-04:00Obama I understand is the most pro-abortion presid...Obama I understand is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate there's ever been. <BR/><BR/>“Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.” (See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html)<BR/><BR/>He also "respects" the recent despotic decision of the California Supreme Court to impose same-sex marriage over the expressed will of the people in Proposition 22 and he is ready to undermine DOMA. <BR/><BR/>Can you imagine what kind of judges he would put in the US Supreme Court? <BR/><BR/>Clinton is not much different but is not quite as callous with respect to killing babies. <BR/><BR/>That leaves only McCain for those of us seriously concerned about the ongoing massacre of the innocents, the conjugal relationship of man and woman and children being raised by a mother and a father.<BR/><BR/>And I speak as a life-long liberal Democrat who does not wear Birkenstocks and thinks people are paying too much for coffee these days.José Solanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04589289554046198929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-86511064061883100342008-05-21T16:54:00.000-04:002008-05-21T16:54:00.000-04:00As an educated person with a sense of social respo...As an educated person with a sense of social responsibility, I have to say that you should be deeply ashamed of your party's pro-abortion record. Do I agree with some of the Democratic Party's social ideas? Yes but until they stop deceiving themselves about abortion, those other issues pale in comparison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-46188789058721309292008-05-21T14:21:00.000-04:002008-05-21T14:21:00.000-04:00I remember the election of 1960--the first that I ...I remember the election of 1960--the first that I can clearly recall. My Dad, a Catholic, was a strong supporter of JFK, veery bit as much because of his war record as his faith, but if asked, would have mentioned JFK's faith as a reason for voting for him.<BR/><BR/>My maternal grandmother was opposed to the election of a "cathlick," but she was a yellow dog Democrat and ultimately, party loyalty prevailed over religious bias.<BR/><BR/>So, I agree that the comments made in the heat of battle will change for many.<BR/><BR/>I have thought for some time that Hillary must cringe every time someone compares (correctly, I think) Obama to JFK.<BR/><BR/>And where will the next president take us? Who knows? As a disillusioned 17 year old, I worked for Barry Goldwater's campaign in a heavily Democratic county in southern Illinois. My mother, an LBJ supporter (1960 and 1964), was aghast. "You'll end up in a war if you work for Goldwater."<BR/><BR/>Four yerars later when I left for Vietnam, I reminded her of her prediction. "I never thought Lyndon would do that," was her only reply.Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-63199535863336214192008-05-21T10:31:00.000-04:002008-05-21T10:31:00.000-04:00Elite and elitist are not the same thing. Educate...Elite and elitist are not the same thing. Educated people with a sense of social responsibility should be trying to give back to their country.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-91342898673657213812008-05-21T10:06:00.000-04:002008-05-21T10:06:00.000-04:00I personally would rather be governed buy "old wom...I personally would rather be governed buy "old women and workers" than by "acedemics and college democrats". Lately you sound a bit more elitist than centrist. How about "The gruntled elitist left of center"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com