tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post5138163974865765073..comments2023-12-28T18:17:11.191-05:00Comments on Gruntled Center: Is Universal Health Care a Religious Issue?Gruntledhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-2583751197881523842009-10-06T10:11:18.920-04:002009-10-06T10:11:18.920-04:00For the specific cost numbers, you would need to g...For the specific cost numbers, you would need to go to the full Kaiser Commission report. They were estimating getting everyone up to average care. Minimal care would, I presume, be less.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-49151981913276873752009-10-06T08:43:04.037-04:002009-10-06T08:43:04.037-04:00Why would it cost 48 billion to cover the 30 milli...Why would it cost 48 billion to cover the 30 million more. I noticed you ignored that.I know you have good intentions. The numbers just don't add up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-37420419266177231212009-10-05T17:39:50.965-04:002009-10-05T17:39:50.965-04:00Since it would be unethical not to give emergency ...Since it would be unethical not to give emergency care to the uninsured, we are paying for them, anyway. I don't think sitting it out is an option. <br /><br />I don't think the issue will be moot, though, because there are votes and presidential commitment pass some kind of universal health insurance. <br /><br />And since everyone does get some kind of care, requiring everyone to buy in, if they can afford it, reduces the cost and risk for the population as a whole.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-67618670097904531392009-10-05T17:21:40.376-04:002009-10-05T17:21:40.376-04:00That is a weak comparison because not all are driv...That is a weak comparison because not all are drivers. <br />What other products are you willing to force your fellow citizens to purchase? This discussion may be mute though because I'm not sure in the end that a bill will be passed. It is starting to look like a quagmire to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-17444460300987008512009-10-05T14:06:31.404-04:002009-10-05T14:06:31.404-04:00"and we can't make them to buy this produ..."and we can't make them to buy this product by force of law"<br /><br />Sure we can. We make all drivers carry auto insurance.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-4808943137683552332009-10-05T11:37:53.784-04:002009-10-05T11:37:53.784-04:00"Yep. And I don't think the churches have..."Yep. And I don't think the churches have enough money to provide health care to 30 million more people in this country. Which takes us back to the main point."<br /><br />"Total spending for those who would<br />gain coverage under a universal<br />expansion would increase by $48<br />billion."<br /><br />Why should it take $48 billion to expand coverage to 30 million more people. That sounds like classic government waste to me.<br /><br />Many of the 30 million are illegals or choose not to carry insurance and we can't make them to buy this product by force of law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-6266780272440717082009-10-05T10:56:59.698-04:002009-10-05T10:56:59.698-04:00The Kaiser Commission said this:
"Total spen...The Kaiser Commission said this:<br /><br />"Total spending for those who would<br />gain coverage under a universal<br />expansion would increase by $48<br />billion. Added to the current<br />spending level of almost $125 billion (which includes all uncompensated care, out-of-pocket payments, and insurance payments for those covered for part of the year) the new dollars would bring the total to $173 billion if coverage were similar to the average<br />low to middle income person with<br />health insurance. It reflects the<br />potential increase in overall health<br />spending directly attributable to the uninsured, but does not take into account the additional costs<br />associated with major health coverage proposals."<br /><br />The $100b going to churches now runs the churches and all the myriad charitable acts they support now. To think that religious people can come up with another $48b just for the medical costs of the uninsured is, I think, unrealistic.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-87955092783089041262009-10-05T09:32:25.409-04:002009-10-05T09:32:25.409-04:00Of the $307.7 billion given to US charities, more ...Of the $307.7 billion given to US charities, more than $106.89 billion went to religious organizations. This was an increase of 5.5%, or 1.6% adjusted for inflation. This is the second year in a row religious giving has topped $100 billion. The remainder of the donations went to the following groups:<br /><br />source Giving USA 2009 (for 2008)<br /><br />I think churches make enough money to help the uninsured poor, but we have given that responsibility to the government. And surprise, surprise they have screwed it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-2621928190469523022009-10-05T07:05:40.694-04:002009-10-05T07:05:40.694-04:00I think illegal immigrants, like everyone else, sh...I think illegal immigrants, like everyone else, should get emergency care. They should not get elective care on the public nickel. There is a gray area in between on preventive care that serves the whole population, such as vaccinations.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-22643985519413850112009-10-05T00:18:51.871-04:002009-10-05T00:18:51.871-04:00Hello. I also agree that the government shouldn...Hello. I also agree that the government shouldn't get involved in religion. There are many people who need the states support, therefore, I agree that the state should improve the health care system.<br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />LorneCanada life insurancehttp://lsminsurance.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-76746705388156728382009-10-04T22:18:38.480-04:002009-10-04T22:18:38.480-04:00Do you support providing healthcare for illegal im...Do you support providing healthcare for illegal immigrants?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-70156977277778449242009-10-04T18:08:33.788-04:002009-10-04T18:08:33.788-04:00Yep. And I don't think the churches have enou...Yep. And I don't think the churches have enough money to provide health care to 30 million more people in this country. Which takes us back to the main point.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-83147276678315037452009-10-04T17:07:54.817-04:002009-10-04T17:07:54.817-04:00Do you have any idea how much money churches aroun...Do you have any idea how much money churches around the world spend to help the poor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-5276236178375386492009-10-04T16:36:21.087-04:002009-10-04T16:36:21.087-04:00I don't believe government should get involved...I don't believe government should get involved in religion. I believe the government should take one more step of involvement in health care. I think religious people should support that move, or be willing to provide health care for the poor themselves.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-33358404325378139532009-10-04T15:43:49.923-04:002009-10-04T15:43:49.923-04:00Why do you believe the government should get invol...Why do you believe the government should get involved in religion in this way? Should government offer a government option church to those who have no church?essessitnoreply@blogger.com