tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post115246446845578565..comments2023-12-28T18:17:11.191-05:00Comments on Gruntled Center: Is the Virgin Birth Essential?Gruntledhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1153655890943513882006-07-23T07:58:00.000-04:002006-07-23T07:58:00.000-04:00Yes, Moderator Gray said that she believed the tra...Yes, Moderator Gray said that she believed the traditional teaching, though she had tried hard to understand why liberals disagreed. I think Anonymous was proposing a thought experiment in which a hypothetical candidate believed the liberal view, but was trying to understand the traditional position.<BR/><BR/>Both are examples of scrupling. They express ambivalence, with a clear leaning one way or the other. The difference is that the moderator embraces the orthodox position, and scruples the liberal one, while Anonymous' hypothetical candidate does the reverse.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1153631116847393022006-07-23T01:05:00.000-04:002006-07-23T01:05:00.000-04:00Although your point is well taken, I believe you h...Although your point is well taken, I believe you have taken Moderator Joan Gray out of context. Instead of disregarding the Biblical teaching, she seemed to embrace the traditional understanding. She stated, “I don’t believe that homosexuality is God’s will for creation. It’s uncomfortable feeling that way, but I am comfortable being uncomfortable…” <BR/><BR/>Following this analogy would be someone who can’t wrap his or her mind around the virgin birth, but will accept it as truth. Many conservative Presbyterians could probably accept this position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1152528264482612422006-07-10T06:44:00.000-04:002006-07-10T06:44:00.000-04:00If I were on that examining committee, I would inc...If I were on that examining committee, I would incline to vote no. If, though, this hypothetical candidate went on to say "but I will remain celibate until I have settled this question in my mind, and if I cannot ultimately live within biblical limits, then, of course, I will withdraw as an officer of the Presbyterian Church," I might vote yes.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1152517875722860922006-07-10T03:51:00.000-04:002006-07-10T03:51:00.000-04:00"I know that Paul explicitly rejects sex outside o..."I know that Paul explicitly rejects sex outside of marriage, but I'm unable to get my mind (and other bodily organs) around that concept, and I'm not able to convince myself I have to abide by those exhortations, but I believe I still should be ordained an officer in the PCUSA." Where do you go with this type of response?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1152484745238906942006-07-09T18:39:00.000-04:002006-07-09T18:39:00.000-04:00I expect that the moderator was not thinking about...I expect that the moderator was not thinking about the Special Commission, but the phrase is apt.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.com