tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post113465865043582965..comments2023-12-28T18:17:11.191-05:00Comments on Gruntled Center: Is Polygamy Protected by Privacy?Gruntledhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1135038940913042752005-12-19T19:35:00.000-05:002005-12-19T19:35:00.000-05:00I see what you mean. Yes, I do think that we coul...I see what you mean. Yes, I do think that we could have a polygamy crisis -- meaning it is not cut and dried, as I think an amendment preserving "in God we trust." A polygamy crisis would be one of the rare cases where the center just has to mobilize. <BR/><BR/>As Jordan's grandma's blog shows, polygamy is already a live issue.<BR/><BR/>Please do link to The Gruntled Center -- there is an important dialogue to sustain here.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1135035351299312822005-12-19T18:35:00.000-05:002005-12-19T18:35:00.000-05:00I've enjoyed reading this blog. I've always consi...I've enjoyed reading this blog. I've always considered myself fairly liberal with a few exceptions. <BR/><BR/>After some personal soul-searching during our current family crisis involving polygamy, I began to see myself as less liberal. I didn't have a name for it or a way to explain it. Now I've realized I'm a centrist! I may even write a post about it. Is it okay if I link to the Gruntled Center?<BR/><BR/>If you read my blog you will know that I think the issue of polygamy is live in every possible way. Do you really think an amendment would pass? I am also evolving into an activist and I find this possibility intriguing.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://savingjordan.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Saving Jordan Raine</A>everydayepiphanieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244627609556808397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1134780526184542832005-12-16T19:48:00.000-05:002005-12-16T19:48:00.000-05:00Amen. I think the lead, though, will come from so...Amen. I think the lead, though, will come from some kind of religious polygamists, though cultural/secular ones will join in. Perhaps the polyamorists will come to the fore, and then the whole movement will be discredited for a generation.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1134765203080013962005-12-16T15:33:00.000-05:002005-12-16T15:33:00.000-05:00I'd say that an amendment could pass quickly if pe...I'd say that an amendment could pass quickly if people thought the issue was a live one. I don't want to run through the streets raising that alarm, though.<BR/><BR/>Intellectually, it's interesting to imagine the strains that could emerge within the Latter-Day Saints. <BR/><BR/>On limited information, my sense is that a large majority, including the leadership of the main denomination, would start out saying polygamy is completely off the table. They'd agree with the American conservative Christian view, and emphasize that commonality.<BR/><BR/>But my understanding is also that there's historic basis for a very different response. That response would say: Our original teaching called for polygamy, and that's still part of our teaching. What changed was an added teaching that we could comply with civil laws. Take away penalties, and we'll go back to polygamy. <BR/><BR/>That second response would be in the minority, but it would get a hearing. It would be a major debate. Plus, there would be related new tensions among politically conservative religious groups about whether and how Mormons were allies.<BR/><BR/>But that, too, is only interesting as imaginary sociology. I can't actually look forward to seeing that upheaval in their religious community or our shared political community.SPorcupinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12088269844922566716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1134751716611161922005-12-16T11:48:00.000-05:002005-12-16T11:48:00.000-05:00I find that the case of female genital mutilation ...I find that the case of female genital mutilation is the most effective example to use when trying to cure students of relativism. Sporcupine thinks we could get a constitutional amendment against polygamy quickly. I am not certain. I do think we could get whatever laws were necessary against female circumcision/mutilation.Gruntledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14377809238377382438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16201378.post-1134682119250158792005-12-15T16:28:00.000-05:002005-12-15T16:28:00.000-05:00Assuming for the moment that polygamy in the US is...Assuming for the moment that polygamy in the US is driven by religious belief, would the practice of female genital mutilation be another practice that might fall under the "right to privacy", assuming also that female genital mutilation is driven by religious belief?<BR/><BR/>Both assumptions are questionable, but how far will people extend the right to privacy, and by what criteria will the legislatures and courts determine that one practice is covered and another is not?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05458269118174673968noreply@blogger.com